This is really..a really disgusting portrayal of foreigners by MBC, the kinds of things you deal with as foreigner in Korea (sometimes). Subtitles are credited thanks to: http://www.scroozle.com/2012/05/racist-propaganda-on-mbc.html
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This is really..a really disgusting portrayal of foreigners by MBC, the kinds of things you deal with as foreigner in Korea (sometimes). Subtitles are credited thanks to: http://www.scroozle.com/2012/05/racist-propaganda-on-mbc.html
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Time: 04:47 |
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I believe there are always two side of story but unfortunately MBC didn't show another side of story. But everyone know its really not much different then what we already know. and it also don't make much big difference. The root of this problem is Korean girls mentality which is develop from her childhood. You know I know Korean people are racist, you can take an example of teaching or dating everywhere its same. I will explain how whenever they Hire English teacher even not undergraduate they are ready to pay more 2.4m won minimum. But when it comes to skilled immigrate, even they are Master, Or PhD they even don't want to pay 2.0M won in the beginning. This is the reality, now all of you foreigner are shouting racism, racism.. where you sleeping when this thing happening from last 20 years???
Everyone know in Korean red light area (prostitute area) why Korean women don't like sex with foreigner, even with money . Just because AIDS. So don't be surprise when they says foreigner bring AIDS to Korea and specially USA people(sorry no offense ). There is another big reason of this kind of situation so they need to make this kind of program. The mentality of looser from USA who came to Korea without any qualification and when they realize they are kind of god because they are white then they start to play with different girls and start to believe they are the biggest playboy in Korea. But when they again go back in their country and realize.. oops it only happen in Korea not in their hometown so they again come back and start teaching English in Korea. Really sometime I think if they go back they even not able to earn everyday food. Imagine someone teaching English in USA ha ha .. even with any diploma or degree. ha ha it will be funny .
But there is big difference as someone said previously "that what more you can expect from the people in Bar". I believe Korean girls are a great fan of western culture and they know bar and Club is also one of the famous place to find soul partner. Unfortunately when those foreigner came to Korea they think its a best place to pick a girl for one night stand. But there are many girls who go to bar with the thinking that may be today they will find her soul mate. This is the point where all problem starts. There is big difference when u go to Bar in your country and In Korea. Here in the first meeting you start to touch her, Feel her, I guess If you do the same in your country there will be really different ending(except the girl is whore or really easy) I know most of you come from those situation and in Korea you start to believe yourself a playboy or Casanova.. please next time take a proper look in mirror ok. Or just try to remember you days in your country you will come back to reality.
I wish one day we can live a Korea where there will be no racism, all people can get job according to their qualification. In the same way they will treat all people from different countries and that day the ratio of Foreigner marry to Korean girl and Korean guy marry to Foreigner will be same.
In above lines all those foreigners who are fully qualified with TESOL/TEFL/CELTA are exempted and I have utmost respect for all those foreigner who also respect korean people, their culture, and also believe every Korean girl is not like who go to bar and start to enjoy instantly. Those kind of girls are everywhere and just because of them you can't expect same thing from whole Korea.
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Wow! Why did you bother? You joined today! Two words for you - Love Motel.
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I, for one, think LoveBusan touched on some VERY valid points and seems very objective and willing to look at both sides of this coin. Some of it is a bit hard to decipher, in terms of sincereity, due to the language barrier...but I think that, for the most part, he/she did a great job of sincerely translating their intentions as an objective party.
I actually agree with almost everything LoveBusan posted. (The stuff about the prostitutes and AIDS is reaching quite a bit, so I won't touch that, but the rest is pretty spot on) A few comments are definitely suspect, but I'd love to actually sit with this person for a coffee and pick their brain on the matter, without the cold barrier of the internet flitering out true intentions and sincere notions.
I agree that more often than not, foreigners aren't willing to look in the mirror to see the grand display of douche baggery that they bring with them to this country.
The report, however, is a vicious bit of propaganda, fueled by bigotry and xenophobia. It's journalism at it's very worst. But I think it's in our best interests to NOT FEED INTO IT. Koreans can use our reactions against us quite easily.
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I'll simply break some of this down to show where LoveBusan went right, and where they went wrong:
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LOL Also, this stupid report is so over the top and ridiculous...it's actually quite funny.
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Like other readers, I think lovebusan makes some valid points. I will only comment on those I disagree with. The first regards foreigners with AIDS. Most foreigners are English teachers here. All English teachers are required to test for HIV before they come to Korea and then at least once a year (twice if they have medical insurance AND renew their visas). I'd say, on the whole, foreigners are pretty safe in that department, although of course nothing is guaranteed.
On a related topic, Korea probably has the highest per capita rate of brothels in the world. Call them what you like : 'hostess bars', 'room bars' etc, they are places for prostitutes to go and get paid to have sex. Now, having spoken to an ex-hostess and her friend, I can tell you some of the following facts: Korean men refuse to wear condoms, even when sleeping with prostitutes. Many of these prostitutes have had countless abortions and miscarriages and can't have children any more. They have up to ten or eleven partners per day. Again, with no protection. A huge percentage of these men are married.
Now, I think foreigners should be pretty glad that Korean prostitutes don't want 'dirty foreigners'. And I think MBC should look at the Korean culture if they want to investigate morals - they might have a lot more to find.
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Funny people complain about foreign losers coming to Korea (and there are tons) but whose fault is it? When you make the standard so low, obviously you will get people you don't want in your society. A college degree and a passport and smart enough not to have done anything that will show up on an FBI report.
That qualification won't get you a decent job in America. But it will in Korea. Its Korean's own fault. Change the standard and you'll get a better group of teachers.
All the video did was increase xenophobia and fear amongst Koreans. Its shoddy, senationalistic journalism. Shame on them. Probably by some ajoshi producer who hates seeing girls he can't get with foreign guys. The HIV link is especially over the top. I doubt the person who gave it to that woman was a teacher. That guy would be shipped out immediately. I've heard of the rare case where the doctor called the employer to let them know even though the person came in for something else and the person was sent out of the country immediately. The person who gave it to this woman could be some other person, non teacher.
The Korean women aren't forced to do anything. Both are adults. Korean women need to take responsibility for the relationships they enter into, same as western men.
The bad thing is the fear mongering. In reality, it won't do much good. Korean women are still going to want to date foreign guys. There is also an increase in Korean men dating foreign women but you don't see any exposes on that do you? Wonder why?
Its all bullshine.
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I don't think this particular view helps all that much either, because it's still shifting all of the blame onto Koreans for the arrogant, lecherous douche bags who come to Korea and act like they don't have a care or a responsibility in the world. There ARE two sides, and it seems that you were quick to shift over to the foreigner side entirely, aside from that one comment about there being tons of losers here.
This is spot on. ESL teachers are kidding themselves if they think they know what "real teaching" is. Sorry, but I've seen the difference first hand, and I know that ESL "teachers" here don't work even half as hard as the real teachers who work the international schools. There is a HUGE difference between making a lesson plan for an entire 4th grade class with multiple subjects (math, science, health, social studies, etc.), and making a lesson plan for grammar, vocab, etc. And for those of you who want to fight me on this, but haven't done a teaching degree or never taught a day in your lives at a real school...go do a year of teachers college, THEN get back to me and tell me you worked just as hard.
I agree, raise the standard. Hire people with teaching degrees. Unfortunately, it's cheaper to drag the bottom of the barrel, in this instance.
That's basic douche logic. We can't stoop to that mentality of "Oh, Korean men are just jealous because us awesome expats get all the hot Korean chicks!"
The ajossi's are at the very top of such media conglomerates, holding all of the cards and all of the money, no doubt...but it's usually a lot of young "producers" who are in charge of programming. It's a collective effort, not just some random guy with a grudge. But at least we can all agree, regardless of anything, this is journalism at its very lowest.
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MBC, why dont you study the following. Surely it is a bigger story than Korean women who legally and freely want to meet foreigners. Lets talk about the black market. OECD stats. Just for fun, I want to compare the black market here to China.
China-population is 1 400 000 000 Black market GDP is $250 000 000 000.
South Korea-50 000 000 Black Market GDP is 27 000 000 000
Do the math. Korea's black market is 3 times larger relatively speaking. Now time to make this relative.
Of this 27b in South Korea, 20b comes from the sex trade here. Again, this is OECD stats. This includes prostitution-which is illegal but is in plain sight, singing room girls, girls at rub and tugs (double barber shop swirling signs) and so on. Now, considering these places are all illegal, surely this ia bigger problem for Korean women than the few, relatively speaking, who want to meet a foreigner. But you can't focus on the underground sex trade can you because it would hurt Korean men. So lets focus on foreigners. Sure. That is the problem here. Xenophobes!
Korean women who want to meet, date, have sex with, and even marry are not the problem in Korea. It is the Korean men and the Confuscious-like-culture. If women were treated better and had equal opportunities in their own country as men did, perhaps they would not want to meet a foreigners. MBC, ask yourself, why would Korean women want to date a foreigner or live in Korea their whole lives? Just ask.
We are all just people who were born in country that was not our choice. Dont make a big deal out of that.This sort of propaganda would fly 20 years ago but not anymore. FREEDOM!
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It seems to me that the cyber, defamation laws here protect the cowards,and big corps(my opinion). You know, the ones who go to work on us with no conscience, concern or empathy imo. It seems, we have no recourse for justice, except to sue. Hopefully, other foreigners will take on any public defamer. If anyone could get enough people to put together a law suit (class action), get it divvied properly, I would more than happily put some money towards that.
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Let's turn the tables. What if a video like that was produced in the US or Canada? What would happen?
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Let's turn the tables. What if a video, or especially a TV program, like this was produced in the US or Canada? What would be the result? That the three or four people (maybe a couple more, whatever) involved in the video could be generalized to all foreigners in Korea is quite frankly ridiciculous.
There are always some bad seeds. But everytime something bad happens as a result of an ethnic person we can't go ahead and say "Let's burn them all."
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Honestly, this vid just goes to show you why people want out. Totally embarrassing and ridiculous to those with a brain. Welcome to North Korea!
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I found this report totally ridiculous and one-sided. Yes, there are some a-hole foreign men out there who just want a one-night stand from a Korean beauty, but not all of us are like that. Most of us have (or had) decent, mature romantic relationships with Korean women based on actual love rather than a relationship based on one night or a few nights in the sack. What about their story?
It's one-sided journalsm and propaganda lke this that fuels the fire of hatred toward the foreign community. It's the epidomy of shock journalism.
And there are some Korean men who do the same thing or worse. Many times, I've seen a Korean guy try to have their way with a almost passed out Korean girl he just met. (One actually tried to steal my date once). And these same f-tards try to sleep with foreign women because they are "easier" then Korean women. But of course, these Korean f-tards, like their foreign a-hole counterparts, are a minority of the population. The majority of the Korean and foregn men are respectable.
Never believe what you see on TV.
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I found this report totally ridiculous and one-sided. Yes, there are some a-hole foreign men out there who just want a one-night stand from a Korean beauty, but not all of us are like that. Most of us have (or had) decent, mature romantic relationships with Korean women based on actual love rather than a relationship based on one night or a few nights in the sack. What about their story?
It's one-sided journalsm and propaganda lke this that fuels the fire of hatred toward the foreign community. It's the epidomy of shock journalism.
And there are some Korean men who do the same thing or worse. Many times, I've seen a Korean guy try to have their way with a almost passed out Korean girl he just met. (One actually tried to steal my date once). And these same f-tards try to sleep with foreign women because they are "easier" then Korean women. But of course, these Korean f-tards, like their foreign a-hole counterparts, are a minority of the population. The majority of the Korean and foregn men are respectable.
Never believe what you see on TV.
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Well I did not see this report . Not surprised by it . Remember a tv station made up the mad cow story too . However did you ever here of a kopino ? Korean men are famous for making girlfriends with a second wife in another country . I have seen that report on tv too . However Korean media tends to blow things out of proportion . yes some western men do what they say they do but I think its not that many . Same for Korean men media made it seem like so many korean made babies in other countries . Its an old story about korean not liking men dating the women . Some guidebooks suggested not holding hands with korean women on the street to avoid harrasment or worse .
However i visited Korea first in 1988 for a trip. Korea is light years ahead of that time . Things are much better now . When i was a Univ student in LA I dated some african american ladies . Wow some of the stares i got back then . And dirty looks. And people yelling at me too . As for Korea . Rome was not built in a day . However I take all reports on tv with a grain of salt whether in korea or usa . Tv is for entertainment and ratings
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Wow Koreabridge. You can post this video but I cannot talk about penis envy? You can talk about the vagina monologues but I cannot make a joke about foreigners here? Rah rah Korea right! Foreigners have been totally insulted but it is all about the Korean money isn't it. Pretty sad. Once you go foreigner, you will never be hornier is too much? Yet you can post this video??? WOW! I would like to know why. Making a joke in spite of this xenophobic video, and not getting angry, is bad? Gut check time.
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To John Venerikson:
It's not about the usage of gentitalia terms (which we're OK with) or being Rah Rah Korea (we're very OK with comments that are critical toward Korea). It's about making substantive comments that in some way contribute to a meaningful conversation. Your deleted post did not.
If you have a point to make, make it. Don't just toss up a juvenile 'penis envy' comment.
- Jeff (manager@)
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I agree with the management on this. That'll just prove them right about us. People are people, and hormones are hormones. Pink, white, black, yellow are all derogatory terms for DNA cells with a mission.
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John's managed to make a grand display of that "basic douche logic" that I was speaking of. It basically amounts to sounding like "our penises are better for their women", and that's precisely the kind of behavior the report is fueled by.
That kind of stuff gives a bad name to the entire foreign community, and only helps to perpetuate the "foreign man with yellow fever" stereotypes that even I've been quick to point out.
It's like I said, people need to stop reacting to this, period. Guys like John here only help to lend it credence.
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Well people have failed to mention this story was about Seoul not pusan . Seoul is about 10 years ahead of pusan in all ways. People have moved to Seoul from all over Korea , Some of the people have left their morals in their hometowns. Why do Koreans date westerns well not in any order
1) free english class
2)free meals and entertainment
3) Sex without any strings attached
4) Love I think the basic reason is love but in all places people date and marry to improve their future .
In case you dont know Korea has a problem young koreans no matter how talented and smart have problems to find a good job . many dream to work in another country . By dating a westerner they can get free english and maybe a new life in another country . By marriage . However all being said I still think Koreans date and marry westerners because of love . Nowadays due to Koreans selective of female babies their are many more men then women. So some men are forces to get a mail order bride if they want to marry
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Solid-one cant be afraid of ignorance. Ignorance breeds ignorance and one of the best ways to counter that is to joke about it. My post goes to show how silly this video really is. You are way to uptight and need to stop thinking you are so moral as bashing people is not moral. My post is a joke in the face of ignorance. Also, I am not here to cuddle insecurities. Why do you care what "we" look like to Koreans? I dont get that. They are more moral or superior? We need to prove ourselves? Please! Screw that.
As for anon above, one big thing is the Koreans using us for free english lessons. They pretend to want to be friends but these people are also just curious about foreigners. They just show it in a different way. But not much different then men and women of all nationalities using others for sex. All people have an agenda. It is up to others to figure that out. Buyer beware. Just life.
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I never said that I was the one to care about what stereotypical generalizations Koreans often pin on us...I'm leaving, and none of this has ever applied to me anyway.
I'm saying, foreigners shouldn't be getting their panties in a bunch over this, because this whole thing is just another excuse to feed into that vicious cycle. If expats don't want to be viewed in that light, then they'd be best not to resort to knee jerk reactions and try to take the higher path by letting it roll off their backs.
I also don't consider myself to be a "moral man" (heh, 'Gladiator' reference). Everyone takes various moral and immoral paths in their lives. My immoral paths just don't happen to align with those of the typical douche bag foreigner.
NO ONE is above criticism.
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Just watched the VDo . Seems just like a comedy piece . Anyone that takes that piece seirously is crazy . That story was about Itaewon . Itaewon does not represent Korea . Wake up dumb people . That story should be retracted since it is not about Korea but about one street in Korea . What are the facts in that story. Anyone who thinks Itaewon is korea has drank too much soju or is just trying to make some politcal agenda before the coming election
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I agree about it being a golden slice of comedy. It's like a lot of these insanely exaggerated reports on Korean television...the use of intensely dramatic music and editing is just too much.
I couldn't take it seriously for one second, and I don't see how anyone else could. Also, that Facebook group that has sprung up as a result of this is pretty ridiculous in itself. Why haven't they bothered to boycott MBC long before this? You could pick any number of sensationalist, misleading reports to call MBC out on, and this certainly isn't the first dose of xenophobia to come out of the Korean media.
I think that it's the notion that they've attacked interracial relationships between foreign men and Korean women that really managed to hit that sore spot; that nerve that foreign men tend to act so dodgy over. We've seen plenty of reports with racist undertones and foreigners usually just shrug and go "Oh Korea, shame on you!"
It's not like displays of xenophobia and racism are anything new...and rarely has such a stink ever been made over something like this.
The more I think about this and observe the various reactions over the internet...the more I come to dislike the way foreigners are responding to it. It's only going to get worse as a result.
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I'm American, my wife is Korean. We've been married 9 years. There's two sides to every story, and it's not fair to put everyone (Americans) in one group.