I am very surprised with the Advert I have seen 3 days ago. This Hagwon in Hwamyeong-dong is looking for a passionate, experienced and talented F2 teacher for 22,000won.
QUESTIONS:
1.) If you are the addressed person living in the same area, are you gonna accept this?
2.) IF you live a distance from this Hagwon, are you going to come for this job knowing the hours can come up with over a hundred thousand won with the same hour rate?
...coz in my opinion, I'd better decline ALL of it. F2 ppeople deserve more than what has been offered. 22,000 won ?? Nah, better give it to the others who are in dire need of a job.
How about you, F2 people out there?
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the comment was perfectly sequacious. certain people were spewing the virtues of people with f2 visas, one of those virtues being that they were here long term and stable.
no one has pointed it out, but i bet many have thought it, but maybe employers, whether it be these or others, think f2 visa holders are worth the pay they are offering and not a won more. my guess is they decided to read postings on this website and stumbled upon certain people and their whining posts and that brought them to their conclusion. perhaps they are trying to keep out the complainers and trying to find those who want money and realize that twenty 'bucks' an hour is not that bad for something that does not involve manual labor. just a hunch, though
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Trevor quote- "extorting naive greenhorns"?The original point made before he made his, had nothing to do with the value of a E2 v F2. I inferred that there are different types of F2s, different types of Hakwons. Therefore, different owners have different customers, needs and values based on perceived skill levels by owners. I am unsure, as to whether LBS or PG believe that F5s, F2s, or F4s should get the same rate as Asian F2s(as mentioned in previous comments). I don't why, but E2s were mentioned here. Basically, cos in terms of this kind of work, they are irrelevant?They've got no right to do them.
Trench worker, I'm a professional, speak for yourself.The trenches were places you could never imagine. How dare you compare our work to the sacrifice of WWI and WWII soldiers, disgraceful.I apologise for this, but Elmo must be greenhorn himself, or has no perception of self- worth. Otherwise, I am sure he would not make a comment devaluing the sacrifices made in the past, or himself.Yet again, his comment is non -sequacious. You obviously have low sense of self- esteem to write such drivel.
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Nice post Angel.
And here is what elmo said;
" twenty 'bucks' an hour is not that bad", among other things.
Again, is Elmo even a foreigner? We never know who is on the other side of these posts-unless you are like me and use your real name. But Elmo calling people whiners, complainers and saying 20 is good while hiding behind a fake name is hardly admirable or noble. Elmo, people with e2 visas make about 25 per hour when factoring in the total package (housing, pension, bonus and airfare). How you can say 20 is good is just plain ignorant. Again, I think this person must be a Korean; a Korean who is trying to keep costs down for his/her fellow hagwon peeps. That or he makes next to nothing because he signed a lousy contract and is jealous of others-"if I make this, everyone has to!" 20 is good-not even close bud!
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@ Angel
I don't know what the hell you're talking about but it has little to do with my post.
I was just pointing out that LBS, on another forum, mentions that F2s have more experience in country which seems contradictory to his "naive greenhorn" statement.
That's all. Nothing about E2s, F5s, Asian F2s or any other crap you wasted your time dribbling on about.
The trench worker comment is not mine. I was paraphrasing what LBS has stated in another forum, one I think you possibly also took part in. So, don't go attacking me. They're not my words.
If my post is "non -sequacious" [sic] so be it. Why waste time getting worked up over a tangential post?
Regarding your comments about being a professional. Well, I think I'm prettty professional in my workplace, perhaps more so than you. So save your "Oh! I'm a professional" claims for someone who might give a ****.
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It's nice that someone reads my work. In the trenches ins't a bad thing Trevor, it means this is all we can do here. We teach English in a classroom and that's it, there is no dillusion of grandeur to me and I'm cool with that. With that said though.....
For christ sakes though get paid while you are in trench soldier!
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again, i find it amazing foreigners come on here and say the pay is okay. why do that? are you even a foreigner elmo? so strange. you come here and dont care about the money? sure!
but, sadly, this site is no different than the news you see on TV in that you do not know the person's agenda or even where the news is coming from. could be hagwon owners, the manager, koreans who hate foreigners-who knows since no one has the courage to put their name by their opinion.
if in fact, though, foreigners are coming on here and saying, "dont pay more schools, we are good",that is nuts. do you think schools are voluntarily putting wages up to 2.2 or more? we do have a say and if people demand more, more will come. a few years ago you would see 1.8 still.
but lets ban saying "we should get better pay? we get paid enough already", and follow elmo-who ever you are! what a plan! saying we should get paid more is whining and complaining-even from someone like me who does not work at hagwons and is just trying to help others get paid a fair wage. i dont care at all, im just whining according to some. put your name to your "we make enough money" opinion, big talker! let everyone know who you are. stand behind what you say. dont hide behind some fake name while saying people here make enough and people are whiners. i tell you what, id rather be called a whiner when i know i am just trying to help than someone who is to scared to stand behind their opnion that helps no one!
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Angel,
You're spouting about your "phenomenal" qualifications but you can't punctuate properly and your writing lacks coherence and cohesion. I guess Ivy League universities aren't what they used to be.
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Angel, I ,think ,that if you really have??? a P.H.D you would at least know how to use the right abbreviation.
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I have used this lazy form on my resume for years.It sticks out on a resume, and especially here, my bad. Above are alternative definitions for PHD.You are correct, I am naughty , naughty boy, eatron.I hope, you'll forgive my cheeky dalliance.
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You have a MA from Oxford and a phd from Princeton and you teach English in Korea? Well that just made my day. I think I'll have another drink enough said.
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Nicely put. I don't have a problem with all but one thing of your post.
Never ending source of labor? At anytime in South Korea there are between 2,500-3,000 positions that are not filled. This includes gov't jobs in EPIK, sister programs and finally hogwans. Check Dave's you will see the ads from recruiters.
Even with the problems of back home a welfare or unemployment check is better than working for a living here. Many of these jobs will fill up but there will always be more jobs than teachers because just like much of the part-time drek posted here they are recycled jobs. People lasting 1-2month if that and then they are on here again trying to nab the next bigger fool.
The only jobs here that are filled to the max are university and college jobs. EPIK and hogwans are simply not competative in hours,vacations, perks and that means more to most people than money even if they are paying the same or near that which in most cases they don't.
Well I'm off my last class is done, our exam week is next week(they are proctored) the week after that is a festival week so I'm off to an undisclosed locale for two weeks. Have a good one elmo and all.
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elmo, you are comparing working here to people in mali? it is not relative to other countries. it is about here. 20 is poor-especially for part time as even ft gets paid more. yes, we do not get compensation but that does not mean it is not needed in some way. you are saying because it is part time people should not get paid in money instead of apartments, tickets...? total nonesense.
you talk about the big picture but you want to bring wages down. this is the big picture for people here. if people wanted to think of others making 1 dollar a day and saying-wow, i have it good, they would not be here trying to make money in the first place. people are here to make money-not to realize how fortunate they are. i think most know this already. people are here for the money (so they can travel, pay back loans...) so saying 20 is good is not seeing the realistic picture.
so on here, elmo, you say i am whining but i will take that when i know i am not working at a hagwon and am just trying to help people get better pay-and you cant say to anyone who you are. you want to argue that 20 is good, okay, but i do not and have no problem standing beside that. you want to talk respect-come back when you have some. you cant even stand behind what you say. you have to talk about being elmo? why dont you want people to know you think 20 is good pay? well, actually, i cant blame you-who would? enjoy your 20 bucks. go winnipeg jets!
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